Kevin Meier: Honesty and Integrity in Fitness

Chris Albert 00:00:00 (link to this point)

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Kevin Meier, the creator of the Pure Bullfit channel. And, Kevin is a US Marine Corps veteran. He entered the fitness industry with a boom this past year. He's created a bunch of viral videos. He's got a really rapidly growing YouTube channel, one of the most rapidly growing channels on that platform.

Above all he's he's one of the most honest and genuine people in the fitness industry right now and I consider him a friend. He's an awesome dude. We don't agree on everything, but he's the type of dude who, you know, you can talk to, you can have a civil discussion with even if you disagree with him. Now one of the things he's done really well is he's called out a lot of bad advice in the fitness industry and as we know there is a lot of bad advice out there. So he's doing a really awesome service for the community out there, and he's putting out some really awesome tips and helpful content in the process.

And he's also, you know, just ventured out on his own and started his own personal training company, which is pretty cool. So wanted to bring this dude on. You guys, if you haven't listened to the first episode we did with him, I highly suggest it. You're gonna love this episode, and I definitely suggest checking out the Pure Bullfit channel on YouTube. You're you're you're gonna love this guy.

And with that, let's get into this conversation with mister Kevin Meier. Kevin, welcome back to the show, my man.

Kevin Meier 00:06:30 (link to this point)

Thank you, Chris. It's good to be back.

Chris Albert 00:06:32 (link to this point)

Dude, so what what's been new in the world of Pure Bullfit?

Kevin Meier 00:06:38 (link to this point)

Oh goodness. We are still growing at a pace that I don't understand because I'm putting out content that's similar to other folks who aren't experiencing the same boom that I am, but I'm I'm very grateful for it. I'm grateful for this community that I'm building. It's growing fast, so it's hard to keep it headed in the direction that I want, strictly positive, strictly talking about the things related to fitness, health, wellness, longevity that matter. Because as you get bigger, get a lot of people who wanna pull you in a lot of different directions.

So I'm starting to experience that now that I'm large enough to be noticed. And, but things are going well. A lot of big changes in, in my community in that, you know, I've for a long time have been working directly with Alan Roberts from Every Damn Day Fitness as one of their health and wellness coaches. And I've taken a step back from that to focus on my own community and focus on my education instead of just being satisfied with a kinesiology degree, moving on towards physical therapy, really just doubling down and trying to provide the best possible information and resources that I can in the long term. So that's a very long term big goal, but it's, the one that we just decided on and we we just started to double down on the community focus and I'm really excited.

Scared, but really excited.

Chris Albert 00:08:01 (link to this point)

Things like that are scary. I mean, your your your channel's grown exponentially just over the past few months. I mean, like

Kevin Meier 00:08:09 (link to this point)

Yeah. When we talked, it was like 20,000 and we're pushing 60 now or something like that.

Chris Albert 00:08:14 (link to this point)

That's that's insane growth. I mean, you're you're

Kevin Meier 00:08:18 (link to this point)

Yeah.

Chris Albert 00:08:18 (link to this point)

I don't get it. Silver button pretty soon. Right?

Kevin Meier 00:08:22 (link to this point)

Every time I say somebody's wrong when they say some shit like that, it happens. So, you know, my wife was like, you're gonna have 50,000 by Christmas. And at that time, we were sitting like, 31,000. We were only having about a 100 subs every four or five days. Don't stress the the analytics too much.

Mhmm. But I was like, that's not gonna happen, sweetheart. And then we released two videos that went viral, and then we were at 41,000, 48,000, 50,000. And by the time I got my, hey, guys, we had 50,000 subs. Here's a contest.

We're gonna give you some money. By the time I finished recording that video, had, like, 56,000. So it's like, just won't slow down.

Chris Albert 00:09:03 (link to this point)

That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm Dude, you gotta be man. I mean like, to live in a time and place like this where people could put stuff out there, even if it is a little bit restricted right now as opposed to where it was about five years ago. You know, you're able to get your opinion out there and it's an opinion that would not have been available to people, you know, as little as five years ago when the magazines were still largely.

Kevin Meier 00:09:30 (link to this point)

I was just about to say that. Yeah. Your men's health, your muscle and fitness, those were like the big sources of information and as commercialized as they are, you weren't really getting great information. And nobody knew to go look at NCBI. Nobody had services like MASS, which is a group of guys that go over hundreds and hundreds of studies in relation to exercise physiology, health, wellness, all of that stuff, and they distill it down for you and they, like, present it to you.

We didn't we didn't have those readily available. So yeah. Yeah. You looked at Ronnie Coleman on the front of a magazine. It it said he did a feeder workout every night before bed, so your ass did a feeder workout every night before bed and wondered why you couldn't raise your arms.

Yeah. Yeah. That's I don't miss those days.

Chris Albert 00:10:17 (link to this point)

No. No. I mean, there there was something about the glorious nineties where you walked into a gym. Back in the day though, like, if you walked into a gym and you did one of those workouts, you saw a muscle and fitness. At least the gyms I was at, you know, as a kid, you have guys who were there who were in the know who would be like, yeah, kid with the Yeah. What the hell are you doing? Like Yeah. Don't do that shit.

Squat deadlift bench press, you know, focus on the big movements, that kind of stuff. I had a lot of the guys just pull me by the scruff of the neck, and they're like, dude, stop that shit.

Kevin Meier 00:10:49 (link to this point)

That's why I started laughing because that was my experience early on. I I walked in mimicking some bullshit I'd seen on a couple of, videos that my mom had bought for me, VHS videos with, with workouts on. I forget the name of the guy, but he was this big Eastern European dude with a heavy accent. And it was really funny because I think they were trying to find somebody that was like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and they got, like, generic off brand Arnold Schwarzenegger. He wasn't even Austrian.

It was bad. You know? So I go in there, and I'm I'm doing these sloppy ass cheat curls. And and, my coach, coach Price, in high school football is like, what the hell is wrong with you? I said, well, I'm just trying to get strong.

He said, none of that is gonna make you strong. And then, you know, learn the the basics of the the bench press, the, hack squat. You know, we did a lot of partial squats for football. We didn't really do a whole lot of, deep squats that that we're seeing the benefits of now. I think I actually still see a lot of that in in the college level for training.

There's seems to be a fear of going through a full range of motions, a lot of half squats, but total topic for another day. I'm gonna write that down actually.

Chris Albert 00:11:55 (link to this point)

Yeah. No, that's something I see. There's a lot of controversy about and and you know, really depended back then on who was around you, right? Like if your coach trained a certain way, Travel knowledge. Yeah, and I was just lucky enough to run into a group of power lifters at a very early age and just taught me what to do.

I was the

Kevin Meier 00:12:19 (link to this point)

wonder how As soon as I discovered power lifting, loved it, but I didn't discover it until I was 34.5, almost 35 years old. So I just, I think back of what if when I was 18, you know, would have been totally different trajectory for my relationship with fitness because I mostly did military style calisthenics all the way until I was 33, 34.5 years old. I was skinny. Six foot three, one hundred and eighty five pounds is not a lot of meat on your bones. Yeah.

That's what the Marine Corps wanted. Yeah. They're really interested in how many times you can bench press two twenty five.

Chris Albert 00:12:58 (link to this point)

Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, and training is an infantryman. Mean, it's

Kevin Meier 00:13:01 (link to this point)

Yeah.

Chris Albert 00:13:02 (link to this point)

If you were jacked and you're in the Marine Corps, you usually weren't in combat arms.

Kevin Meier 00:13:09 (link to this point)

No, a supply clerk. You're a cook. And there's nothing wrong with that. Bullets, beans, and band aids, I have mad respect for all the support elements. But the only jacked super jacked guys I ever saw were were garrison rats.

Not not anybody who was in combat arms.

Chris Albert 00:13:26 (link to this point)

Yeah. When I was in Bahrain, I saw a couple of SEALs and they were huge, but

Kevin Meier 00:13:31 (link to this point)

Yeah. Yeah. I did an individual augmentee for about two years with Marine Corps Special Operations Command and we worked with a couple of the teams over there. We worked with Rangers, third and fourth Battalion, I think. We worked with tenth Mountain.

And the SEALs, by far and away, I don't know if they just don't blood test or what. Those motherfuckers were huge. Every last one of them was jacked. I never saw a wiry SEAL. Not not no.

I did one. Petty officer Hill. He was wiry and he had a gut, but he was absolutely terrifying.

Chris Albert 00:14:07 (link to this point)

Yeah.

Kevin Meier 00:14:08 (link to this point)

So many other things.

Chris Albert 00:14:10 (link to this point)

Back then there were I think there was some chemical assist. I mean, I'm not gonna speculate about such a great

Kevin Meier 00:14:16 (link to this point)

It'd be speculation.

Chris Albert 00:14:17 (link to this point)

Yeah. But but I mean, they're they're I mean, to Tijuana, San Diego, all that stuff, you know, you got to think I mean, the thing is for me morally, if you're in that type of situation where your physicality is going to be the difference between life and death, you know, I don't have any moral problem with it and I don't think anybody really should.

Kevin Meier 00:14:40 (link to this point)

Yeah, think a lot of people misunderstand me from the content that I put out on YouTube. I don't have a moral objection to testosterone synthetic or otherwise. I don't have a moral objection to these things. But the content that I put out, the direction of my life, and the resources that I put out are designed for longevity and quality of life. And that's where I draw the line.

Large doses of these things are persistent usage of performance enhancing drugs. There's a lot, an overwhelming amount of evidence that suggested it'll shorten your life, increase in colon cancer, the issues that come with when you're using HGH organ growth. Yet there's things that you can do about all of that, but it's it in and of itself is not conducive to longevity. So that's why I'm like, hey, this is not what we should be doing. But in in that instance where we're talking about our war fighters, we're already putting our bodies on the line, we've already come out beat to hell, absolutely destroyed.

Like, if that were an official part of the program, I have no moral judgment against it. It's Correct. It's not a moral issue, I mean, compared to all of the other moral issues. You're gonna tell me, this is what gets me. You're gonna tell me we're gonna take our boys, and we're gonna send them over there to enforce political policy with violence, but it's not cool if they take some currently illegal substances.

Chris Albert 00:16:00 (link to this point)

Right. Right.

Kevin Meier 00:16:01 (link to this point)

But I can go riddle that guy with holes. Stuck with the dogs. They're territorial. Yeah. They have high prey instincts and they have high territorial instincts.

I think it's like a one to five rating and they're maxed out on both. They make really interesting notes. Don't don't want to mess with your house. You know, know, we don't have any problems. We live in we live in an area where there are some problems.

And nobody comes by the house. It's weird. Or the guy with the German Shepherd, nobody comes by his house either. Yeah. That works.

Chris Albert 00:16:44 (link to this point)

Two crazy dogs, big over six foot dude with a long hair and a beard, you know, that kind of stuff.

Kevin Meier 00:16:51 (link to this point)

Yeah. But I'm the teddy bear. The dogs will eat you. Actually, my my wife will fucking wear your bones and shit. She's the scary one.

People don't seem to understand that. When the apocalypse hits, it's not gonna be zombies. It's gonna be cannibals. Like, why are people training to fight zombies? You should be training to fight cannibals, and I'm scared that my wife is going to be one of them.

Chris Albert 00:17:13 (link to this point)

Oh, man. That's right. You got married over the time.

Kevin Meier 00:17:16 (link to this point)

I did.

Chris Albert 00:17:16 (link to this point)

Yeah.

Kevin Meier 00:17:17 (link to this point)

Got married back in October. It was, it was a good time. And that that going on with the channel blowing up and and, try to focus on education and this crossroads that I just recently came to, I was trying to provide the fullest spectrum of resources to people. So I was, I was really debating whether or not I was going to go towards psychology with my remaining education benefits or if I was going to just double down and go towards physical therapy. Man, working in the mental health field as I do on top of trying to run a fitness and health and wellness organization and community, I'm getting gray hairs, dude.

Yeah. It was beating me up. So ultimately, decided, okay, you know what? I'm not gonna be adding psychology onto this. I'm just gonna double down exercise science, physical therapy.

I'm going to go that route.

Chris Albert 00:18:08 (link to this point)

That's awesome. So is this gonna be like a certificate or degree?

Kevin Meier 00:18:13 (link to this point)

Doctorate. Yeah, it's a doctorate program.

Chris Albert 00:18:14 (link to this point)

Awesome, man. That's awesome. So you're going to fall all the way up to PhD, right?

Kevin Meier 00:18:19 (link to this point)

Yep. I've got the next five years of The debt planned

Chris Albert 00:18:26 (link to this point)

big thing I can say because I did PhD work obviously not in physical therapy but I was a social scientist. What I could say is like the big thing is use the early part of the career to read everything you can. Absolutely. Because that's going to help so much when you're working on your dissertation when you're working on that stuff. And it's also going to help you in identifying the holes, the academic holes that are out there because with a PhD you're literally trying to fill a hole.

Right? You're trying to fill those holes. And so we read as widely as possible through your discipline, especially at the beginning.

Kevin Meier 00:19:04 (link to this point)

That's already a passion of mine now. I've always enjoyed digging into the minutiae. So I really hold back on my channel. There are other channels out there like Jeremy Ethier, who he basically just reads the summary of research and that puts my ass to sleep. I try to keep things a little bit entertaining.

I try to make some jokes. I try to do some roasts and shit like that. But if you want to see me excited, tell me that there's a new fucking study out on the difference between or the validity of the issues purported to be surrounding sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. There was one that just came out and I was super excited. Or there's more evidence to suggest that there is some benefit to laser therapy between six eighty five and, and 808 NG, I think.

I I don't remember the exact wavelengths, but as far as recovery, ATP production, shit like that, dry shit nobody wants to hear about. Nobody wants to hear me talk about that for half an hour. But I'm gonna be very excited to be sitting there reading it going, holy crap. We could sit in front of this lamp legitimately. This thing I've been mocking for years, this red light therapy, might actually work towards recovery.

We could have people recovering faster from injuries, from workouts, finding what human potential is without necessarily injecting our bodies full of chemicals that are carcinogenic or cause rampant organ growth or lead to muscle tears, which is one of the things I don't think enough people understand about using synthetic testosterone is elasticity of your muscles. You're gonna have more muscle tears if you're using that shit. You might get stronger, easier and faster, but you also might be out of training for two fucking years because you tore your pec. Right. Sorry that was just an aside.

No man. Was talking with my friends about it.

Chris Albert 00:20:53 (link to this point)

You know one of the things I think because I trained bodybuilders for a long time

Kevin Meier 00:20:57 (link to this point)

Yeah, remember.

Chris Albert 00:20:59 (link to this point)

I worked with a lot of amateurs and a lot of people at the pro level is one of the things I didn't I don't think people get is that the amount of stuff a lot of those guys in the top five of the Olympia are taking is actually not as much as you'll see some of these guys are taking at the local level. And it's because they don't have the genetics to do it. They they don't. I mean, you're never I mean, a Ronnie Coleman Flex Wheeler or things like that. They're not gonna be taking it as much as some of these guys you've seen at the local level.

I saw some crazy things, man. I saw intravenous growth hormone usage, know, guys spending, you know, tens of thousands of dollars a prep this kind of stuff. Insulin usage at the amateur level, which is something that it's the one thing that can kill you instantly. I don't want to be a hypocrite here. Obviously, back in my day, I definitely experimented with these things.

Definitely use these things.

Kevin Meier 00:21:56 (link to this point)

To make you a hypocrite, that makes you speaking from experience at a knowledgeable perspective.

Chris Albert 00:22:02 (link to this point)

No, honestly. Yeah. The thing is like again, I have no moral problem with it. It's just I have a problem with the miseducation and misapplication. Absolutely.

Because I they are miracle. They are. If you use them in the proper way, they they could do some amazing things. But if you abuse those fuckers, it's like it's like dipping from the forbidden well. You're gonna pay a price.

Kevin Meier 00:22:26 (link to this point)

Absolutely. And you're you're spot on, these kids that are blasting and cruising enormous amounts. They're trying to super compensate, for what they see in these guys that are look, I hate to say it this way, but genetically superior. Like, we're not all I'm not a great dead lifter. My limb proportions are not awesome for the dead lift.

Right? I I could take a bunch of junk that would make me better at it, but it is a fact that my limb proportions, my moment arms, my morphology is not ideal for the deadlift. Oh, too fucking bad for me. The same thing with muscle insertions and muscle bellies and whatnot. No matter how much junk you take, you're not gonna beat that guy who is just genetically more suited towards a symmetrical appearance.

And they've they've got the knowledge. The, they're also, you know, on junk, but whatever. But they don't need to use nearly as much. So these kids are trying to super compensate for it. They're like, oh, well, okay.

He's two hundred and eighty five pounds before he drops down to two thirty five, so I need to get to three hundred pounds. So I need to take $1,500 worth of this shit every fucking month. Oh, this might work? I'm just gonna stack that on top. Okay, so well, we've got these research chemicals.

I'm gonna throw those on top because some asshole down at the local gym said there's no side effects. They're still testing them on rats and nobody knows what the fuck I Those are That's my problem. My opinion,

Chris Albert 00:23:52 (link to this point)

SARMs are I think there's almost more danger right now with the SARMs than than going with something that that has been you can dose it out. You know what the effects are. You know how to recover from it. I see a lot of kids messing around with I agree. It's insane, right?

Like you're messing with your ability to procreate.

Kevin Meier 00:24:11 (link to this point)

Yeah, so I've been like really open, much like you are. I live with chronic pain every day. These last twenty four hours, wasn't actually sure I was gonna be able to make this interview because I was in so much pain earlier today. Fortunately, we were able to, it's not probably a word, but un subluxate my lumbar spine. My lumbar spine was out of alignment.

It was causing me a great deal of pain. I couldn't sit up. We finally worked on it and it went. And I'm able to be here now, but like I deal with that all the time. Some days the pain's so bad I can't get out of bed.

So when SARMs were first being talked about, I have a lot of degenerative joint disease. If the temperature changes too much, I get inflammation in my joints, it's extremely painful. I was told that it heals joint damage. So I did a bunch of research for what was available and they talked about studies where they'd used three to five milligrams of MK-2866 and that healed joints. I was like, okay, well this is technically legal, I'm going to try it.

And I tried it for a couple of months and I didn't really notice much if any improvement in my joint pain. But then when I started researching what people were doing with it to achieve performance enhancing effects, they're not using three to five which is what was tested. The equivalent on animals was tested at about three to five milligrams. I think ten milligrams is the highest study I found. Motherfuckers are using fifty to one hundred milligrams of this shit.

That's not what was tested every day, every fucking day to achieve these effects that are more like steroids that presumably don't have any side effects. And it does have side effects. It does cause suppression. It does. It can cause hair loss.

God only knows what it's gonna do to the colon because we haven't been looking at it long enough. I mean, it's been research for ten or fifteen years, but there haven't been enough human studies to determine what the long term effects are gonna be. I've got cancer runs in my family. Like, I don't eat much meat because I don't wanna get fucking cancer. Right.

So I'm certainly not gonna long term take something that might have that effect. So I've been really open with people who are like, oh, you're not natty. Okay, cool, I'm not natty. I don't compete. For two fucking months, I used MK-2866 at a level that was tested.

Cool. Whatever. Like, if that makes you feel better about the fact that I'm 41 years old, disabled, I still lift more than you. If if that's your line, cool. I hope it helps you sleep at night.

But, like I it's the longevity, it's the risk, it's the unknown, and as weird as it may be to say, we know what the significant risks of synthetic testosterone are. Right. We know what to do about it. We don't necessarily know everything that we need to about SARMs, and they're coming out with a new fucking SARM before they figure out what the last one does. Like, every week, it's a new fucking SARM.

Like, okay. Well, slow your roll. You don't need to stack rad 40 m k 2866 m k six seven seven because I think that's the h g h equivalent one, which isn't even really a SARM, but they just lump it in there with SARMs. Mhmm. So when some asshole says SARMs are safe, they take m k two eight six or no.

They take six seven seven, and they think that it's just as safe when there are very large risks to HGH. And it wasn't just ten years ago. People were telling me there's no risk. There's no side effects to HGH. And and rabid about it too.

Like, what the fuck? Like Yeah.

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If you are constantly activating the mammalian target of rapamycin, then that is a definite way to turn on those genes. And you know, the horrifying thing is that, you know, if used at one to two milligrams, growth hormone does have some longevity implications. If used at three to four, which most people are doing it, that's when it gets anabolic. You obviously people doing six, seven, eight. Right?

And and and Mhmm. Insane. And, like I said Mhmm. There's no Olympia title on the line. We're talking like No.

Orange County, l mister LA, kind of stuff, and it's ridiculous.

Kevin Meier 00:32:07 (link to this point)

I worked at a video game company where there was a large portion of the people who worked out who didn't compete in anything at all. They just wanted to be the strongest person in our health and wellness program at a video game company. That's crazy. What the fuck? Yeah.

Who can there I I knew guys that were taking tests so that they could hit three plates on a deadlift. Almost anybody can hit three plates on a deadlift with just training. That's within the realm for the vast majority of people. So it it's disheartening to see people take completely unnecessary risks. Like we were talking about earlier, there are arenas, there are, places where something like that might be appropriate.

And and I even I am kind of curious academically speaking. I'm kind of curious to see what the human body is capable of, if in a controlled environment where we had some, you know, enhanced competition. I kind of like like recognized enhanced, not under the table, not like always tacitly understood that everybody's on gear like with with World's Strongest Man and, like, the Olympia stage and shit like that. I'm kind of curious to see what the human body is capable of. I I I always am, But we don't currently have the situation where it's safe to do so, where the risks are truly honestly understood, approached with clear sight so that people can make a decision for themselves this is something they want to do.

I'd rather see it open, honest and regulated than the current state of things.

Chris Albert 00:33:39 (link to this point)

Yeah absolutely and I mean like and it goes with everything too. Suffer from autoimmunity and right now they've got

Kevin Meier 00:33:46 (link to this point)

I saw your post on that.

Chris Albert 00:33:48 (link to this point)

Yeah, they've got me on doses of prednisone and the prednisone it's a corticosteroid so basically you're increasing amount of cortisone in your body which it feels like like thunderbolts. Like when it hits me, I feel like I can't calm down. I have like this crazy edge and only two things help to take the edge off of that.

Number one is exercise, which which right after this interview, I'm gonna go get a workout in. Number two is cannabis. And with cannabis, my thing is this, you know, I've never been a person who enjoyed being high. Never. I don't enjoy that.

Okay.

Kevin Meier 00:34:29 (link to this point)

Feel that. Yeah.

Chris Albert 00:34:29 (link to this point)

There's certain meditative elements like where I will take a large dose and it will allow myself to go off on tangent thinking and things like that. But it's not an enjoyable experience. Right? Like it's a bit crazy. But, you know for me it's the one thing that's taking the edge off but at the same time I raise my eyebrow when I hear people saying that it's the cure for all things and that everybody should be using it.

Bothers me a lot.

Kevin Meier 00:34:54 (link to this point)

We're about to do.

Chris Albert 00:34:55 (link to this point)

If you're a kid whose brain is developing, that's probably not, if you've got schizophrenic tendencies in your family, that's probably not a good thing. A whole host of different situations where

Kevin Meier 00:35:06 (link to this point)

That are aggravated. That's focusing on the benefits to the exclusion of the possible risks is not approaching something with clear sight. And we could be having a much more honest conversation about cannabis. I work the fucking drug mission, so people expect me to anytime somebody brings up marijuana to get, combative and upset and, you know, be like, no. But I've seen the good that it can do for folks.

People that are very close to me in my life who suffer from, some pretty acute, very difficult trauma, and some other things that they they came with. It it has helped them, but starting it too soon, I've also seen it impair, cognitive thinking. I've also seen it exacerbate the conditions that you're talking about, not just schizophrenia, but things like dissociative identity disorder and borderline personality disorder. When they need to be developing those coping skills the most in their teen years and early 20s, learning how to deal with the overwhelming emotions that they have in a society that they're going to be dependent on to some extent, but being shielded from all of that because they're self medicating out the ass with cannabis, it can stunt them and keep them in a state where they're going to be marginalized for the rest of their lives because they just can't fucking assimilate to any level. If we're having a clear sighted conversation about it, I love your movement to legalize it for vets.

I need to get that shirt. It's a good reminder. Keep thinking about that, but I've gotta fucking do that because I wanna rep that. I absolutely do. As somebody who struggles with post traumatic stress disorder, CBD has helped me.

I don't like the feeling of being high to the point where I won't smoke. Right. I won't or cannabis, I I just won't. With hypervigilance, that lack of feeling of control is not a good feeling, coming out of it, it's panic attack every time. So what's the point of being calm for an hour or two if you're only gonna have a panic attack as soon as you're coming out?

Right. But I 100% support it. I I absolutely believe that if we can move forward with open eyes and be honest about where it's appropriate, where it's not, that this could be a really useful thing, not just economically speaking. Take a look at places like Colorado and what's happening here in Maine, but also for, you know, our overall quality of life and our ability to deal with things like seizures. It's absolutely effective.

I think CBD by itself is as well. Have to look into Yeah,

Chris Albert 00:37:40 (link to this point)

no, Absolutely. And the thing is too though, one thing that's happening with CBD and I think with THC as well is that it's so commercialized now. Yeah. I mean I'm seeing CBD everywhere. It's in CVS, it's in twenty four hour fitness tour when I go there.

Kevin Meier 00:37:57 (link to this point)

I haven't seen it in the gym yet. That's new for me.

Chris Albert 00:38:00 (link to this point)

Everywhere. And then the thing the other thing that bothers me is is the same kind of lack of education you see with what's going on with performance enhancing substances. Yeah. You know, I get that from the budtenders because I'll go in and I'll say listen, I suffer from an autoimmune disease. I'm going through extreme pain right now. I I'm trying to get some I'm not here to get blasted.

I'm here to try to get help. And most of them are just trying to get me high and I'm just like, dude, it's not what I'm looking for, man.

Kevin Meier 00:38:27 (link to this point)

You know, We need actual cannabis professionals.

Chris Albert 00:38:32 (link to this point)

Right.

Kevin Meier 00:38:32 (link to this point)

That's what we need. We we need educated professionals. And that's not gonna happen until it is legalized broadly, recognized as legalized by the federal government. All those steps are taken. We we don't need, like, a dealer at a polo.

Right. And that's that's what we have in these these shirts in these shops is we've got some kid who smoked for a long time or who's got, you know, nothing better to do with this time and he's he's trying to, fucking explain to you how his blend is gonna help your, your autoimmune disorder. Right. We need people who know what the fuck they're talking about just like in fitness in that realm. I just wish it was, a lot easier for people to have a legitimized education, a legitimized, like, professional, I don't know, reviewed body, like a certifying body or something like that to determine who could be handing out information on what cannabis does because I'm so sick and fucking tired of hearing it cures cancer.

I just lost my sister to cancer. So when somebody somebody tells me, oh, this is if she'd just done this, I'm not a violent person anymore, but I have to quell. I have to quell every time somebody says some dumb shit like inversion therapy cures cancer, gravity, this magic light. No offense to people who are are spiritual about, like, mother earth and stuff like that. But if I see one more person come at me with a crystal rock and tell me that that that would have cured a cancer, I'm gonna knock their fucking teeth out.

She suffered for six years. Suffered. I just I want some people who know what the fuck they're talking about. Yeah.

Chris Albert 00:40:11 (link to this point)

I had a my my old football coach, his daughter is suffering from cancer. And, you know, we're on Facebook, he's putting stuff out there. And, you know, I I put I I think it's shared over a benefit to raise some money and some people from another community that I was associated with and it's always self help people, they come in and they start, oh, she should try this. Oh, she should try that. Oh, she should and I'm like, I came on and I'm like, dude, this man is suffering right now.

You cannot do that to people. You can't be a freaking vampire with people who And are even when I put my stuff out there about ulcerative colitis, I had to say listen, I appreciate everybody who wants to help. But I'm trying everything. It's not because I'm being stubborn. It's not because I'm doing this. It's not because I'm doing it's it's literally the way my body is right now. I have to figure it out and you don't have the answer.

You're not a magic. Just because you watched a few YouTube videos or listen to a few podcasts that doesn't make you

Kevin Meier 00:41:14 (link to this point)

I watched a fucking BuzzFeed video. Yeah.

Chris Albert 00:41:16 (link to this point)

Exactly.

Kevin Meier 00:41:18 (link to this point)

Fuck.

Chris Albert 00:41:19 (link to this point)

Yeah. Pisses me off. Pisses me off. Yeah. You know, and and one thing I I I have to say is that that that's the value of your channel and the work you're doing out there because what you're what you're doing is you're calling out bad advice out there in the health and fitness community.

And

Kevin Meier 00:41:39 (link to this point)

That's what I'm trying to do.

Chris Albert 00:41:40 (link to this point)

It's what you're trying to do. But but you know, the thing is the way YouTube is, it's often not the best ideas that get put forward. Whoever's whoever's got the best physique, best the best abs, the best this, the best that. And you know, with certain people you've called out, really enjoy watching you because you break things down very logically. And you're kind of pulling back the curtain that a lot of these people are standing behind.

Kevin Meier 00:42:11 (link to this point)

That's that's the purpose, but I wanna be I wanna encourage people not to take anything I say at face value either. Not because I'm trying to pull anything, but if you're only watching my content and accepting what I say at face value, you're just simply perpetuating the the behavior that got us here to begin with. We have to have a little bit of critical thinking applied to every bit of information that comes in. The more you agree with something, in my opinion, and this is just from working in the intel field, The more you readily agree with something when it's presented to you, the more you should question it. The more you should immediately look at it and go, is this right?

Because we have this terrible I get people who ask me, well, how do I know I can trust you? My response is always, don't trust me. Go fucking verify. I make sure not to talk about anything that can't be verified with a simple fucking Google search and a little bit of elbow grease on your part because that's the behavior that I'm trying to encourage people to do. I will break it down and say, yes.

This is not how, the afterburn effect works in a HIIT workout, and this is how it works. But I want you to go look at that and see it for yourself and understand where that information came from. Or when somebody talks about a study and they misrepresent what that study is saying. I'll share the study. I'll talk about it briefly, but I want you to go take a look at it for your damn self.

Don't trust me. Don't take don't don't make me the cult leader that you're following, right, just because I say things the way that I you identify with or or I come from a place that you respect or something to that effect. Definitely don't trust what I have to say just because I'm a damn veteran or because you like my hair or any of the other stupid shit that people just tend to gravitate you for to you for. No. Question.

Like, prove me wrong. And the couple of times that it's happened where somebody's like, hey. You got this wrong. The very next video, I'm like, hey. I got this wrong.

This is what the correct information is. Because it's not about being right the first time. It's about getting the right information get I can't talk. Sorry. Getting the right information out there at all.

You got me all, like, passionate and shit, I started to stumble

Chris Albert 00:44:16 (link to this point)

It's all good, man. I love the passion. You know? And and I've been around a lot of big YouTubers. You know, my channel has never blown up itself, but I've been around a lot of people who have highly subscribed YouTube channels and become superstars in the fitness industry.

Well, one of the things I see that I saw in the past and that I still see out there is that there's many people out there who are loath to admit that they were wrong. And they dig their ground, they choose their hill, they're gonna die on that hill, and they're gonna keep putting that information out no matter what. And that's a problem.

Kevin Meier 00:44:47 (link to this point)

I think that some of them think that if you do that, you're just gonna lose everything. Like, you've lost your authority. Nobody's gonna watch you anymore. And my my experience with the few times, the few things that I've corrected myself on is the exact opposite. I've had so many people come out and say, I appreciate your transparency.

I'm really glad that you hold yourself accountable. You don't try and make excuses. That that's what happens when you actually have a community. More of these guys should be willing to admit they're wrong and not the bullshit apologies where they're like, well, you know, I might have miss spoke, but here's how everybody mistreated me in this situation. And it's totally fucked up that they were talking about me in this way.

Alan Roberts just called out Scott Herman. Scott Herman's got 2,300,000 subscribers. He is a huge name and Alan has done very well for himself in the last couple of years to get over 200,000 subscribers. They have two different presentation styles and there was a point when they were gonna work together And then that that fell through due to some personality conflicts or or what have you. I'm not super in on the situation to know exactly what happened, but that's what I've pieced together.

And to Scott's credit, and nobody wants nobody from Alan's camp wants to hear this from me, not Alan. Al Alan and I talk about this shit all the time. But, Scott was like, oh, okay. I got that wrong. I need to do better in the future.

Cool. That's what you should do. Awesome. You should you should fucking, like, go, okay. I just got my ass spanked.

I should be careful about how I present information in the future because I do talk to two point three million people, and I have a responsibility to make sure that they get the best information out there. And I thought that was actually the way to go. That's the way that you should respond to it. And when people call us out, this is YouTube. We're public figures.

It's not gonna be nice. The people that have that said they were gonna kick my ass, like Ryan Ankrum and and whatever it was oh, this was in the streets. You get popped in the mouth or whatever dumb shit it is, he said. One, nobody's scared of a Internet tough guy. Right.

But two, I thanked him. Was like, it's really important to know how you look from the outside. This was, aside from the drivel about punching me in the face, this was a really good video. I went and I commented directly on this video. I thanked him for it.

I shared his video and encouraged everybody to go watch it and say, if this is how I'm actually coming off, community, tell me about it. Right? Because that's not who I wanna be. And it it came back that now he was just defending his friend. But even when Vegan Gains, who is a loathsome human being, talking about turning people into skin wallets, stomping babies into the ground, challenging to fight everybody, and then never showing up himself, when he talked shit about me, I made fun of him whining for two hours, but I was like, hey.

Thanks publicly and privately. I was like, thanks for helping me see how I'm viewed from the outside. This is an important source of feedback. Be open to that shit because we're gonna talk shit about each other. Right.

It doesn't necessarily mean that we can't learn something from it.

Chris Albert 00:47:48 (link to this point)

No. Exactly. Exactly. And I think, you know, it's there's so many newbies come out. They they they're trying to put this aura out there that they're an alpha male, they're this, they're that.

Kevin Meier 00:48:01 (link to this point)

Yeah. Sorry. It it does. Like, we're old dogs, and neither of us look terribly old. But we're old dogs. And and we've been around actual if there was such a thing as alpha males, we've been around it. Marines are hard chargers, and we've we've earned a reputation.

There aren't so many quotes about us being badasses for no fucking reason. Right. But, like, the the more you talk the the relationship between your badassiveness and how much you talk is inversely proportionate. The more you talk about that shit, the less of a badass you are. And all these kids coming out who've done nothing, gone nowhere, talking about a warrior's mindset, talking about going to war with the weights.

Bitch, you've never get going to war with your plate. Okay? So, like, don't talk to me about

Chris Albert 00:48:52 (link to this point)

They're inanimate objects. Lifting inanimate objects in an air conditioned room. Don't make it more serious.

Kevin Meier 00:48:59 (link to this point)

Oh, yeah. Alright. No. Absolutely. Absolutely.

You're not Vikings. You're not Spartans. You're you're not warriors. You don't have a warrior's mindset. So don't presume to be able to teach anybody a warrior's mindset because that's about endurance and the willingness to sacrifice your state of being in order to achieve something greater than yourself.

And as much as I love working out, lifting 500 pounds on a squat or benching four zero five or whatever it is your goal is, is not something greater than yourself. That's just another point of vanity. Right. One that I'm I'm gleefully chasing, but I understand it's a point of vanity and not something that's actually contributing to the greater good.

Chris Albert 00:49:39 (link to this point)

Exactly. What are what are some of the latest things that that you've been tackling out there on your channel as far as, issues go?

Kevin Meier 00:49:49 (link to this point)

So, man, it is, right now, there is a bunch of people who are getting ready to start fitness for the first time or take fitness back up for the first time because it's the end of the year. So subject matter wise, I'm going back to the basics of, you know, how energy systems work, how basic routines work, how much progress you can make just doing simple things because I want people to have that information readily available. But at the same time, I'm still nine, ten months in trying to find my voice because we grew faster than we were supposed to. I expected to maybe have a thousand subscriptions by now. But we talked about that in my last video or my last, interview with you when I had 20,000 already.

I was like, I'm supposed to not even have a thousand yet. So, I'm trying to simultaneously tackle how am gonna get people the information in a form that everybody can consume for, it's with as little effort as possible so that they have it readily available. So, like, do I put up a website because people don't use Facebook? That was strange to me. People would refuse to to get Facebook long enough to take a free program that I put out there.

So Yeah. Do I open a website? So I've got that front building up. What is what is Pure Bullfit gonna look like? Because I didn't expect to have to make these decisions yet.

And then what is the most important information that I could be putting out right now? Because this is also the time of year where everybody who's already a gym goer starts talking shit about everybody who's not. It's like, oh, the fucking resolutioners are gonna be in here. And who wants to go start a program? Who wants to go start trying to learn something that's already hard enough when they feel like everybody around them doesn't want them to be there?

So I gotta combat that and do all that bullshit.

Chris Albert 00:51:35 (link to this point)

Yeah. That's kind of you're you're in this spot right now where you gotta figure out how to scale this thing and and be able to get all the help out there while still trying to to create your editorial platform as as as far as what your voice is gonna be. And that's a that's a good place to be in. It is a little bit scary though. Right?

Kevin Meier 00:51:55 (link to this point)

Yeah. David Bowie's got a great quote on that. I don't wanna butcher it, but he basically says, you know, when you walk out into the water far enough where your feet no longer touch the bottom, but you're aware the bottom is there, that's a good place to be. That's where your that's where growth occurs, and and I agree with that. I've got a great support system.

I've got good people around me. Alan has been very generous with his time. And, while I did leave as a coach so I could focus on my things, we left on incredible terms, and we stay in contact. It's not like there's any heartburn or friction there. There's other folks that I don't like name dropping, but there's other folks that have reached out, and we've got some pretty exciting things, to talk about and endeavors to go through.

And right now, I'm just trying to maintain the very transparent aura of, accountability and integrity, which I gotta tell you financially is hard. Mhmm. I've been offered not insignificant amounts of money to just publicize somebody's video or or their shoes or their supplements, and I have to say no. I have to say no or I don't have integrity anymore. Right.

Right? Even if I believe in the thing, like, Omar, Esoph, he asked me if I wanted to be an affiliate, and I had to say no. I love their shoes. I I used it. They are my weightlifting shoes.

But if I say yes and I I give a discount code, then people are have it somewhere in their minds that my opinion can be influenced or bought. I just can't have that because the idea is I gotta get the best information to people, and they have to have a reason to be able to believe me even if I do want them to check that opinion. So that's hard because I've literally left probably tens of thousands of dollars on the table already and already this early, and I'm like, wow. Why couldn't I be a scumbag? It's gonna be a lot more lucrative.

Chris Albert 00:53:49 (link to this point)

Well, and you see the temptation out there, right? Mean like I do. For a 15 year old kid who gets into this, right? Imagine that. You're in high school and you start to become popular and people come around and they're like, because you've criticized some people like that, right?

There's people out there who are putting really bad advice out there or making a lot of money off of YouTube and it's because they got caught up in this. I I and I like to assume the best of people. Maybe they they just got caught up in the game and things like that. Right?

Kevin Meier 00:54:22 (link to this point)

Yeah. I don't like, nobody wakes up and thinks I'm a bad guy. Like, unless you're Billie Eilish. Like, nobody does that. They all they view what you and I do in shades of black and white, what they do in a thousand shades of gray.

So they wake up and they justify it. Was like, well, you know, I'm getting good information out there or I'm getting people to get active. Even if I'm an 18 year old kid who doesn't know anything about exercise physiology and I'm taking an ass ton of SARMs in order to get a physique that people will believe in. At least I'm still doing good by getting people active. And it doesn't take much more justification than that, but yeah, there are people out there who are like, I gotta get that money, I gotta get that cheddar, or whatever it is that kids are saying these days in relation to I I I don't know what the the current slang is, but it's probably something ridiculous.

Chris Albert 00:55:12 (link to this point)

Exactly. Before know we're we're coming up on time here in a second, but I wanted to ask you this, you know, just watching Alan's channel and some of the stuff you've done.

Kevin Meier 00:55:23 (link to this point)

Sure.

Chris Albert 00:55:23 (link to this point)

Alan's putting a concerted effort out there to get the message out that obesity kills. Is dangerous. It is unhealthy. I agree with it's something that I know you agree with as well. At the same time, I look at both you and Alan as people who want the best for individuals, want people to feel welcome, who want people, who want to attract people toward health and fitness rather than pushing them But away from I feel like people are mischaracterizing a lot of your arguments and saying that you're anti fat, you're discriminating against fat people and things like that.

Why is that happening and what is your response to that?

Kevin Meier 00:56:10 (link to this point)

Well, my personal response has been to take a step back. I'm having a lot of with people in the healthy at every size movement body positivity. I'm, I have ongoing conversations with a number of folks there. Me seeming like I'm right, like I said before, isn't the important thing. It's getting the message across.

So if there's room for me to improve in how I'm delivering that message so that it can has a chance to be received, then I wanna do that. And and that's one of the things that's very different between me and Alan is that the information that he's giving is correct. It is accurate. But the people on the other side of it who desperately need to hear it oftentimes are feeling defensive. And Alan has a very legitimate point in that he says fuck your feelings.

Like, that shouldn't matter as much. But, I'm taking kind of a oblique approach in that not everybody's ready to face that, and it's really difficult. It's difficult to be called fatphobic or hateful. But when somebody tries to actually interact with me, that's my opportunity to change their mind. So I take those opportunities.

And it's a lot of emotional investment, but I try and show folks that it isn't about disrespecting them and that I'm willing to, work with them to find a way to deliver the information. And they have there's there's folks on that side of the coin that have a lot of points. We Alan and I and other people, who take an even more aggressive approach than Alan, the goal is a healthier society. That is actually the truth. The goal is helping people, and I know from personal experience how much Alan is willing to give.

He could charge so much more for what he does. He could offer so much less than what he does, and he could work half as hard as he does. But he doesn't. Like, he's actually legitimately passionate about this. But those folks on the other side, their identity, their state of being is being challenged.

And it's a legitimate argument to say, Society's treated me like shit for being fat my entire life. Why should I listen to you tell me I don't care about my kids? Why should I listen to you tell me I don't care about my health, my life, when I've got these people over here who are telling me I'm valuable just the way that I am? And they have a point when they say there is no specific understood causative mechanism of obesity and 13 cancers and diabetes and all of that. But there is no specific causative mechanism understood for the increased risk of lung cancer in cigarettes.

But we all understand that it's a double digit correlation and therefore significant enough to be taken at face value. And I think that we haven't been as good as we can in acknowledging that because we say science at the top of our lungs, and they say science at the top of their lungs. And anybody who has a shred of truth to lean on is unwilling to budge in their position, and they're perfectly willing to just ignore any information that is contrary to that. You could give them a study and they're like, well, that was paid for by the Anti Fat Association of America or whatever fucking nonsense they wanna come up with. So long story short.

Sorry. I tend to go on. The short version of this is it isn't important for people to think that we're right or accept the message the way that we want it to be sent, in my opinion. We have to find a way to get the message across so that it's understood and it's received as well as possible so that people can actually make the change because that's what's fucking important. And Alan has done that, and I don't think people realize that.

If they go back and they look at his very first videos on obesity, we're we're talking to two or three really just bad actors like Tess Holliday, Sonalee Rashatwar, this, registered nurse who's saying dumb things that are leading people astray. That's who we're talking to. But if you're in that movement, we you think you're we're talking to you. If you're Susie Q from fucking Alabama, when I say, the things that Tess Holliday says or Sonalee Rashatwar are irresponsible and gonna hurt people, you think I'm saying that to you because you identified with what she was saying, and that's where a lot of this comes from. But for my part, I'm, I'm listening the best that I can, and I'm trying to find a way to cut through the bullshit to acknowledge feelings as much as possible, to challenge them where it's necessary, and to make sure that people have the information to actually just fucking get started.

I don't need people to like me. Obviously, Alan doesn't give a shit if people like him, but I do wanna stop the aggressive momentum of, just the overconsumption and underactivity of our society. Right. We are killing ourselves. And Chesty I believe it was Chesty Puller, but it was it was or maybe it was MacArthur.

I I don't remember. The The

Chris Albert 01:01:12 (link to this point)

quote about will will be taken over by a a race of more more A

Kevin Meier 01:01:18 (link to this point)

heartier race than ourselves. Yeah.

Chris Albert 01:01:20 (link to this point)

Yeah.

Kevin Meier 01:01:20 (link to this point)

It's absolutely true. We're preeminent because we worked hard to become so, and we've been resting on our laurels for a long time, societally speaking, as world citizens, as Americans. And while our physicality is not the only thing that needs to improve, it is the very first thing that we can improve and learn the lessons that we need to learn in order to apply to the rest of our beings and the rest of our lives to improve across the board. And that's just where I sit on it.

Chris Albert 01:01:50 (link to this point)

It's something you can control. Yep. If you can't control, there's a I should say that with a caveat. I mean, hormones, things like There's a lot of intervening variables there. But you at least have control over what you put into your mouth and what you do with your body.

Kevin Meier 01:02:03 (link to this point)

Right?

Chris Albert 01:02:04 (link to this point)

Yep. Things that regardless of how you look it's a matter of doing these things because they'll be additive to your life. Right?

Kevin Meier 01:02:14 (link to this point)

Absolutely.

Chris Albert 01:02:15 (link to this point)

I think we one of the problems with society is that we look at those things in some ways as luxuries, where if you have time to do this, if you have the money to do this, then then that's for you. But if you've got to work, got to do all these other things, then you don't have time to do that. And the fact is that's a deadly mistake that many people are going

Kevin Meier 01:02:35 (link to this point)

Quite literally deadly.

Chris Albert 01:02:36 (link to this point)

Down to the road to morbidity, right? Mhmm. Craziness. Craziness.

Kevin Meier 01:02:42 (link to this point)

Craziness.

Chris Albert 01:02:43 (link to this point)

That's right. Well, dude, number one, I want to thank you for coming back on here. Consider you a I love good your stuff. I love your movement. I think the conversations you're having out there are really important.

And above all, you're getting people to think. Not Like, a vampire, right? That's what I appreciate about you. You're trying to get people to actually think. And that's what's important. That's what we need right now.

Kevin Meier 01:03:13 (link to this point)

We need way more critical thinking. We need way more challenging just accepting information. This mindlessly regurgitating the information we get from sources that we tacitly trust is deadly to our society. It's deadly to intellectualism. It is deadly to progress.

So we absolutely need to challenge everything.

Chris Albert 01:03:33 (link to this point)

Absolutely, brother. The channel is Pure Bullfit, and the, the his Instagram is also awesome. It's streetwise Hercules. Where'd you get that name from?

Kevin Meier 01:03:44 (link to this point)

A Bonnie Tyler song. We need a hero. I just fucking love that song.

Chris Albert 01:03:50 (link to this point)

That's awesome.

Kevin Meier 01:03:51 (link to this point)

Where's the streetwise Hercules? That's it, man. I heard that lyric and I'm like, that's my Instagram name. It's not deep.

Chris Albert 01:03:59 (link to this point)

That is awesome. That is awesome. It looks like you got a lot of really great things coming down the pike too, man. And and tell us about your your unique training venture right now. What what's going on with that?

Kevin Meier 01:04:12 (link to this point)

Oh, you're talking about, it's not unique. Like, power building is something that's been around for a long time, and I don't I don't know why people think I came up with it. I got some weird comments to that effect. I'm at a point where I had these two lifetime goals of of, benching four zero five and squatting 500, and being able to do so as a disabled person would be a significant accomplishment in my opinion. So I am this close.

So I did a, but I I know that I'm about to turn 41 in March, and, I'm gonna be focusing on quality of life, much like the exercise routines that I see you doing. You're taking care of your body. You're taking care of your joints. You're doing absolutely fucking fantastic. So I'm going to be focusing on that, moving into 2020, seeing how my body feels, and then making a decision on how I want to train for the rest of my life based off of that.

Based off of how this year went, focusing on strength, and how next year focusing on, you know, longevity, athleticism, move, mobility. So the the gap between those two things is my power building program, which is a combination of body building and power lifting. The strength component will help me close the tiny, tiny gap between those two lifetime goals before my birthday, and if I hit them, great. If I don't, I'm still committing to dropping probably about 25 to 30 pounds, getting down to about two thirty pounds, holding steady there and just working on body composition for the rest of the year.

Chris Albert 01:05:38 (link to this point)

That is a really smart way to go about things. That's a really smart way to go about things because you're allowing it to be your decision before you're reaching that point of diminishing returns.

Kevin Meier 01:05:50 (link to this point)

Yes.

Chris Albert 01:05:50 (link to this point)

All the other stuff you're doing. And I think every person needs to come to that kind of understanding with themselves is saying at what point is this all this crazy stuff I'm doing gonna start hurting more than helping and let's start prepping for that.

Kevin Meier 01:06:06 (link to this point)

Right? There's some incredibly strong people well into their sixties and seventies. Louie Simmons is very strong. I I may not think much of the things that come out of his mouth, but even Mark Rippetoe is strong for his age. But they don't move well at all.

They hobble. And I don't wanna be I don't wanna be 55, 60, 65 years old and hobbling. I wanna be moving well well into my nineties. So since those are my goals and not having a six hundred pound squat when I'm 72, then then that's what I have to work towards.

Chris Albert 01:06:40 (link to this point)

Yeah. Exactly. Well, awesome, man. Again, thank you so much for calling back on here.

Kevin Meier 01:06:45 (link to this point)

Dude, always a pleasure.

Chris Albert 01:06:47 (link to this point)

Yeah. Love love your message. And and above all, remember, you're a Marine Corps veteran. Thank you for your service, man, and and and everything you've

Kevin Meier 01:06:55 (link to this point)

Thank you for your continued service because you're still out there helping people, it's one of the things I respect about you the most. Not go and smoke up your nose. I know you're you're trying, but you consistently put out a good message. You're consistently supportive of people. You reached out to me when I was small and knew nothing.

I see you. I watch you reach out to people you think can have an impact. You talk to people from variety of viewpoints. You're not pigeonholed into anything, and I respect all of those things about you.

Chris Albert 01:07:22 (link to this point)

Thank you, brother. Thank you, man.

Kevin Meier 01:07:24 (link to this point)

Alright. Killer.

Chris Albert 01:07:26 (link to this point)

To everybody out there, you know, again, check out the Pure Bullfit channel and and you know, if there's anything to get from this conversation, you're gonna pursue anything, pursue health and pursue life. I mean, that that there is nothing more worthwhile as an investment in this world. And there's very few things out there that that you will get a sure return on. But if you put the work into yourself, into not just creating your own vanity, but but to Yeah. Making your body perform better and feel better and and protect your body and your health, There's nothing else that's more worth it out there.

Kevin Meier 01:08:04 (link to this point)

And I think you'll be amazed how much you enjoy everything else in your life.

Chris Albert 01:08:08 (link to this point)

Exactly. Exactly. So put some work into that ladies and gents and get out there and live your best lives while you can. We'll be back at you later on this week with some more awesome content.

Kevin Meier 01:08:20 (link to this point)

Alright, Chris. Thank you very much.

Chris Albert 01:08:24 (link to this point)

Alright, guys. I hope you got a lot out of that interview with mister Kevin Meier. Definitely suggest going to check out his channel, the Pure Bullfit channel. Amazing dude. One of the most honest and awesome people I've met in the fitness industry, and I'm proud to call him a friend and a fellow United States Marine.

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